Post by Elizabeth on Feb 10, 2008 10:55:15 GMT
bobalania said:
elizabeth said:
The thing that annoys me personally is the signatures of both you and Bob. Especially Bob's new one. It says on it "This is Bobalania. Be Proud Of It. Become a citizen today", firstly this is not Bobalania. Secondly the whole be proud of it has been nicked from us, and lastly we aren't thick, it's blatantly obvious what you're trying to do. The 'This is Bobalania' doesn't mean that this forum is Bobalania it means that the place in the image IS Bobalania. DUR!
And i cannot believe how you would say that the 'Be proud of it' is from Jamzinia! Don't go accusing us of things we didn't do, when you don't know anything about Bobalania, the be proud of it comes from the idea of the slogan of Teesside (where i live) and a place that we are very passion ate and proud of that plays a big part in The Bobalanian way of life.
And i am disgusted that you will tell 2 fellow citizens to 'sod off'.
After all the accusations and the disgusting way Jamzinia has treated Bobalania i am thinking of removing my citizenship here, and even our treaty with you. I had always thought Jamzinia and Bobalania would stay good friends, but obviously not.
I'd sympathise with you if the allegations were falsified, but clearly, as I will illustrate to you, they are not. They are completely true. I can not believe you even have the cheek to contest the claims, fair enough if you'd held your hands up, and said, "Ok fair enough, in the early days we were struggling for ideas, and the way to word things so I took some of Jamzinias stuff and adapted it", but no, and not even an apology. Even now you persist in making us out to be the guys in the wrong, you threaten to withdraw your treaty, and even when James offers to reason with you, you take the piss.
Firstly, the "be proud" thing. A quick search of your forums tells me the first time it was used was 6 January 08. You said -
"Thanks a lot , hopefully we can get everyone proud to be Bobalanian!"
Whereas a quick search of ours tell me that we've used it for some time. We have continuous mentions dating back to 23 April 2006. Keith said on 23 April 06 -
"our motto is Be Proud. Our National Anthem Is Be Proud and that is what it was, is and always will be. "
Is it not a bit of a coincidence that you join us in November 07, and after recently spending an increasing ammount of time here, suddenly the 'be proud' thing appears on your forums?
Then there's the government, Bobalania began using the "House of the Interior" and "House of the Exterior" on 31 December 07. Usually, the house of the interior houses domestic affairs, whilst the exterior deals with foreign affairs and diplomacy. Whilst Jamzinia had this system, we formed a custom system where debate among department heads takes place in the interior, and votes for legislation takes place in the Exterior. Look at the similarity
The purposes are identical.
Then we have the treaties; Our standard treatys can be found here -
jamzinia.proboards58.com/index.cgi?board=foreignoffice2&action=display&thread=1179572234
Our treaty of recognition, composed on May 19th 07, began,
The Treaty of Recognition.
Between The Kingdom Of Jamzinia &
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The treaty of recognition shall acknowledge the recognition between the above nations. This shall include land claims; of both macronational and micronational nature, external organization associated with the nations, and the general existence of the nations as a whole.
Between The Kingdom Of Jamzinia &
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The treaty of recognition shall acknowledge the recognition between the above nations. This shall include land claims; of both macronational and micronational nature, external organization associated with the nations, and the general existence of the nations as a whole.
Compared to your responce to diplomatic relations with Klavos on 22 Jan 08,
Great! Welcome to Bobalania!
We can use our standard treaty here:
Treaty of Recognition between The Democratic Republic of Bobalania and ....................
The treaty of recognition shall acknowledge the recognition between the above nations. This shall include land claims; of both macronational and micronational nature, external organization associated with the nations, and the general existence of the nations as a whole.
We can use our standard treaty here:
Treaty of Recognition between The Democratic Republic of Bobalania and ....................
The treaty of recognition shall acknowledge the recognition between the above nations. This shall include land claims; of both macronational and micronational nature, external organization associated with the nations, and the general existence of the nations as a whole.
I wouldn't have said that was your standard treaty of recognition, sounds more like ours, word for word.
Next we have the Foreign Office's aims, ours, created on 2nd October 07, state;
-To ensure foreign relations with other nations are kept as friendly and as healthy as physically possible.
-To ensure all enquiries made by other nations are dealt with appropriately.
-To ensure knowledge of Jamzinia is widespread, and good.
Yours, created on 31 December 07, include;
• To ensure relations between Bobalania and other nations are and remain healthy and we and the other nation pay regular visits to each other.
• To make sure all enquires made by other nations regarding relations are dealt with quickly and properly.
• To make sure knowledge of Bobalania is widespread through out the Macronational and Micronational world.
• To make sure all enquires made by other nations regarding relations are dealt with quickly and properly.
• To make sure knowledge of Bobalania is widespread through out the Macronational and Micronational world.
Again, remarkably similiar wouldn't you say?
The more I look into this, the more I find, take 'your' PM's objectives, posted on 31 December 07,
Compared to ours posted on 24 September 07;
The first four are almost identical.
Here's another objective, this time it's your immigration ministry, again posted on 31 December 07, it begins;
"The Ministry of Immigration Shall strive to succeed in achieving the following objectives to improve Bobalania as a whole, these should be completed over a fairly long period of time with the exception of some things that need addressing straight away."
This compared to the begining in each and every department in Jamzinia, particularily the home office, which was posted on 24 Sept 07,
"The Home Office shall endeavour to succeed in achieving the following objectives as part of a long term aim, thus contributing to the steady yet effective progression of Jamzinia as a whole;"
Here we have yet another, this time it's the sport ministry, our objectives posted on 24 Sept 07, stated;
-To ensure the progression in Culture, Media and Sports is healthy, through ensuring all possible development opportunities are undertaken.
-To ensure Jamzinia participates in as many sporting events as possible.
-To create and maintain national teams in as many sports as possible, thus providing our citizens with a chance to represent us in various different sporting events, hopefully spreading the knowledge of Jamzinia in the process.
-To liaise with The Ministry Of Entertainment For The Public to provide a quality and consistant series of entertainment pieces for the citizens, with the use of providers such as skype and youtube.
Yours, written on 31 Dec 07, state;
• To ensure everything runs smoothly within the BFA.
• To get Bobalania into as many internal and external sporting events as possible this should hopefully increase knowledge of Bobalania in the process.
• To work with the Ministry of Entertainment to provide events to entertain citizens etc.
• To help run the Bobalanian National team in all sports.
• To get Bobalania into as many internal and external sporting events as possible this should hopefully increase knowledge of Bobalania in the process.
• To work with the Ministry of Entertainment to provide events to entertain citizens etc.
• To help run the Bobalanian National team in all sports.
Yet again remarkably similiar. I genuinely hope you can now see this from our point of view. -